It's particularly concerning that these masked, swarming "officers" are arresting folks for being out of status in terms of immigration. I'm not a lawyer, but my understanding (after having spent 15 years in a variety of immigration statuses) is that status issues are civil offenses, not criminal offenses. That's why all that's needed is an administrative warrant (where the bar is lower) and court proceeding are held in from of administrative law judges.
If I saw this happen on the street (a half dozen people dressed in SWAT attire and masks grabbing someone and forcing them into a car), I think I'd call 911. Without anything "police-like", whose to know who these ruffians are.
I'm actually surprised that gangs haven't yet been formed to do fake-ICE grabs to shake down immigrant-looking people.
Isn’t it obvious? To avoid creating a body of direct evidence personally linking them to these extrajudicial kidnappings and expediting unidentified, & potentially innocent people to dangerous prisons outside the jurisdiction of the United States.
There will be a reckoning. Trump’s a decrepit old man. These excesses cannot sustain themselves.
It won’t exactly be a Nuremberg, probably less multinational and disciplined. But even Hoover’s FBI had its reckoning after Nixon with the Church Commission.
Remember Hitler’s Gestapo, celebrated by their superiors for pulling “illegal” Anne Frank out of her attic safe hiding place and sending her to a concentration camp?
Their excuses of “just following orders” did not save them from eventual prosecution, conviction and imprisonment.
Hello, I don't know your legal chops, but that is a well thought out history lesson and description of what is happening and what WILL happen. Line them up at posts and bang.
But even cops, good and bad, don't wear masks, do use badges, name tags, body cams, etc. I swear to God if some belligerent asshole came at me with a mask on, threatening bodily harm and "arrest", I would do everything in my small power to rip that cheap piece of cloth from his face so his mother could see him online, on TV, etc etc. I have no doubt at all that these guys are ex-cons, felons, etc who were given these jobs to enlarge their cajones and wreak havoc on the population. What in the hell have we come to???? The KKK? The jerks on 1/6???? Even the SS didn't wear masks. They were quite happy to have people know who they were.
My guess is because they are J6 insurrectionists , proud boys , oath keepers and an assorted number of radical right wingnuts Trump has “deputized” to operate as his personal militia…his Naz-ICE if you will.
I think ALL their faces should be exposed….publicly , names , faces , whichever local office they are assigned to. Trump wants to ban masks..unless it interferes with the operations of his private army. They need to be identified and shamed.
What if you’re wrong? What if the US has always been this way? What if the only thing that’s changed is the scale, scope and brutality of this kind of operation? I think you’re seeing things from a privileged perspective.
There is a whole history of unjust and illegal practices in the US targeting women, blacks, minorities, homosexuals, transgender and other fringe groups. Even after correcting those injustices there’s usually very little accountability and that is a big reason why this sort of thing has not only not gone away but it’s worsened over time.
Maybe this is why today they could kick it up a notch without much pushback. Russell Vought, one of the authors of project 2025 stated, “this will be a peaceful transition if people let be.” Where does he get the idea that a society that upholds the rule of law and respects human rights would ever contemplate the notion of passivity in the face of tyranny and human rights violations? Yet, that’s exactly what’s happening. My personal opinion is that the US is now doing domestically what it’s been doing abroad for decades. There’s a reason we’re not members of the ICC. What we’re seeing today is the end game of a conditioning that began decades ago.
So you seem to say that it's ok if agents wear mask when arresting certain people, but not when arresting others. Do you only wear a tie in court only when you represent certain clients, but do not wear a tie when representing others?
Pretty much everything, from the Ai generated pic (cliche, 3 mean guys with masks vs the poor, albeit pretty, lone immigrat Hispanic mother with scared eyes and carrying another pretty and scared little girl - BTW, why not a little boy?) to the message that ICE is bad and doing bad things. Optics aside, the main issue is that while assuming that what happens now is "dystopian", you don't mention that the reason we (that is, you) got here is that 10s of millions of illegals were invited into the USA by Biden and Harris, the majority being criminals and gang members. And ICE is now trying to fix this dystopia, even if in doing so it acts itself dystopia. You seem (correction: you are) concerned that supposedly a child gets scared seeing his neighbor arrested, but you are not concerned that a criminal (the neighbor) was living free among children. Etc.
Just the fact they are wearing face masks ( and despite growing cases of bird flu and other viruses like the measles are going around and some people have weakened immune systems) while dear leader made it illegal for students on campus to wear face masks. Why aren’t they showing their faces? Is it fear of future prosecution for illegal acts? Is it fear of disease? Is it fear their wife or partner won’t sleep with them or trigger a divorce or separation?
As far as legal status goes , in your opinion immigrants should or should not have a judge as that is the law? Do you approve that we let in South Africans refugees while denying the vetted Afghans people that helped us in that war were denied entry their visas pulled? Follow up why? I have more questions. But I will end with this. Are you ok with him accepting that jet from the Saudis then we will have to strip it down. Remodel it all with our money, then following him outside the presidency, not for the next president? What do you think they got in return, do you think any of this serves the citizens? Now we’re obviously on other sides of this administration. I’m truly trying to understand what line has to be crossed, the removal of our rights. Please explain to me. Thank you.
What a load of cr*p, but that aside note the use of "here's the deal" and "let's be clear" coming straight out of a Joe Biden speech... talking about dystopia!
I'll tell you what. Your overall general disappointment with what I'm writing tells me it's not a good fit to have you here in the community. You either need to be specific with your thoughts and add value to the conversation, or bounce. Show up here with the garbage you've been sharing and you'll be blocked faster than Tucker Carlson got canned at Fox. Change your approach or in the alternative, stick to your own echo chamber, the grown-ups are having a real conversation here.
And why is that? You cannot have a debate with someone disagreeing? You want everyone to go to their echo chamber, fine .... that will make this "community" an echo chamber also. You realize you sound like old senile Joe when you say "but here's the deal", don't you?
Specifically to my thoughts: do you consider that between the two issues (1) millions of illegals entering your country, the majority criminals, some terrorists, bringing in drugs, forced prostitution, often underage prostitution, spreading crime and vice all over, and (2) the ICE being masked on their jobs, the latter is the issue that matters?
I think they hide their faces because they are right wing militia's hired to terrorize everyone not a mediocre whiny white guy.
Someone on Substack did an awesome article about border patrol & ice assholes. The professionals are telling people just not ones who will do anything especially with the idiot felon as president.
It's particularly concerning that these masked, swarming "officers" are arresting folks for being out of status in terms of immigration. I'm not a lawyer, but my understanding (after having spent 15 years in a variety of immigration statuses) is that status issues are civil offenses, not criminal offenses. That's why all that's needed is an administrative warrant (where the bar is lower) and court proceeding are held in from of administrative law judges.
If I saw this happen on the street (a half dozen people dressed in SWAT attire and masks grabbing someone and forcing them into a car), I think I'd call 911. Without anything "police-like", whose to know who these ruffians are.
I'm actually surprised that gangs haven't yet been formed to do fake-ICE grabs to shake down immigrant-looking people.
Where was their training?
How did they obtain a credential to perform this 'work'?
Why is this government normalizing a group of masked men beating a man, suspected of being an undocumented immigrant, on a street?
Why does congress back these illegal actions?
They don’t want people to know who they are. As they are truly the dregs of society. I want to know how they sleep at night.
Isn’t it obvious? To avoid creating a body of direct evidence personally linking them to these extrajudicial kidnappings and expediting unidentified, & potentially innocent people to dangerous prisons outside the jurisdiction of the United States.
There will be a reckoning. Trump’s a decrepit old man. These excesses cannot sustain themselves.
It won’t exactly be a Nuremberg, probably less multinational and disciplined. But even Hoover’s FBI had its reckoning after Nixon with the Church Commission.
Remember Hitler’s Gestapo, celebrated by their superiors for pulling “illegal” Anne Frank out of her attic safe hiding place and sending her to a concentration camp?
Their excuses of “just following orders” did not save them from eventual prosecution, conviction and imprisonment.
ICE agents should take note.
Hello, I don't know your legal chops, but that is a well thought out history lesson and description of what is happening and what WILL happen. Line them up at posts and bang.
If history’s not repeating itself, it’s certainly beginning to rhyme.
Because they are cowards and they know they will be shunned and hated by their fellow citizens.
These wannabe cops know they are doing wrong...
But even cops, good and bad, don't wear masks, do use badges, name tags, body cams, etc. I swear to God if some belligerent asshole came at me with a mask on, threatening bodily harm and "arrest", I would do everything in my small power to rip that cheap piece of cloth from his face so his mother could see him online, on TV, etc etc. I have no doubt at all that these guys are ex-cons, felons, etc who were given these jobs to enlarge their cajones and wreak havoc on the population. What in the hell have we come to???? The KKK? The jerks on 1/6???? Even the SS didn't wear masks. They were quite happy to have people know who they were.
They’re cowards.
My guess is because they are J6 insurrectionists , proud boys , oath keepers and an assorted number of radical right wingnuts Trump has “deputized” to operate as his personal militia…his Naz-ICE if you will.
I think ALL their faces should be exposed….publicly , names , faces , whichever local office they are assigned to. Trump wants to ban masks..unless it interferes with the operations of his private army. They need to be identified and shamed.
Saying they are embarassed or ashamed, as they should be,…may be giving them way to much credit!
What if you’re wrong? What if the US has always been this way? What if the only thing that’s changed is the scale, scope and brutality of this kind of operation? I think you’re seeing things from a privileged perspective.
There is a whole history of unjust and illegal practices in the US targeting women, blacks, minorities, homosexuals, transgender and other fringe groups. Even after correcting those injustices there’s usually very little accountability and that is a big reason why this sort of thing has not only not gone away but it’s worsened over time.
Maybe this is why today they could kick it up a notch without much pushback. Russell Vought, one of the authors of project 2025 stated, “this will be a peaceful transition if people let be.” Where does he get the idea that a society that upholds the rule of law and respects human rights would ever contemplate the notion of passivity in the face of tyranny and human rights violations? Yet, that’s exactly what’s happening. My personal opinion is that the US is now doing domestically what it’s been doing abroad for decades. There’s a reason we’re not members of the ICC. What we’re seeing today is the end game of a conditioning that began decades ago.
Maybe the answer can be found in today's new article, "Stephen Miller: The Unelected Extremist Steering Trump’s White House Toward Authoritarianism" https://mitchthelawyer.substack.com/p/stephen-miller-the-unelected-extremist?r=2fe7t3
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So you seem to say that it's ok if agents wear mask when arresting certain people, but not when arresting others. Do you only wear a tie in court only when you represent certain clients, but do not wear a tie when representing others?
I don’t “seem to say that”, I actually did say that. What specifically in the article do you disagree with. Be specific.
Pretty much everything, from the Ai generated pic (cliche, 3 mean guys with masks vs the poor, albeit pretty, lone immigrat Hispanic mother with scared eyes and carrying another pretty and scared little girl - BTW, why not a little boy?) to the message that ICE is bad and doing bad things. Optics aside, the main issue is that while assuming that what happens now is "dystopian", you don't mention that the reason we (that is, you) got here is that 10s of millions of illegals were invited into the USA by Biden and Harris, the majority being criminals and gang members. And ICE is now trying to fix this dystopia, even if in doing so it acts itself dystopia. You seem (correction: you are) concerned that supposedly a child gets scared seeing his neighbor arrested, but you are not concerned that a criminal (the neighbor) was living free among children. Etc.
Go back to Twitter where you traitors belong, stop trying to turn this reasonable platform into an oligarch cesspool
Oh another human living in a fictional world, blame biden AGAIN FUCK THIS ADMIN , And anyone advocating for it
Ok..: im just going to treat you like an adult.
Just the fact they are wearing face masks ( and despite growing cases of bird flu and other viruses like the measles are going around and some people have weakened immune systems) while dear leader made it illegal for students on campus to wear face masks. Why aren’t they showing their faces? Is it fear of future prosecution for illegal acts? Is it fear of disease? Is it fear their wife or partner won’t sleep with them or trigger a divorce or separation?
As far as legal status goes , in your opinion immigrants should or should not have a judge as that is the law? Do you approve that we let in South Africans refugees while denying the vetted Afghans people that helped us in that war were denied entry their visas pulled? Follow up why? I have more questions. But I will end with this. Are you ok with him accepting that jet from the Saudis then we will have to strip it down. Remodel it all with our money, then following him outside the presidency, not for the next president? What do you think they got in return, do you think any of this serves the citizens? Now we’re obviously on other sides of this administration. I’m truly trying to understand what line has to be crossed, the removal of our rights. Please explain to me. Thank you.
What a load of cr*p, but that aside note the use of "here's the deal" and "let's be clear" coming straight out of a Joe Biden speech... talking about dystopia!
I'll tell you what. Your overall general disappointment with what I'm writing tells me it's not a good fit to have you here in the community. You either need to be specific with your thoughts and add value to the conversation, or bounce. Show up here with the garbage you've been sharing and you'll be blocked faster than Tucker Carlson got canned at Fox. Change your approach or in the alternative, stick to your own echo chamber, the grown-ups are having a real conversation here.
And why is that? You cannot have a debate with someone disagreeing? You want everyone to go to their echo chamber, fine .... that will make this "community" an echo chamber also. You realize you sound like old senile Joe when you say "but here's the deal", don't you?
Specifically to my thoughts: do you consider that between the two issues (1) millions of illegals entering your country, the majority criminals, some terrorists, bringing in drugs, forced prostitution, often underage prostitution, spreading crime and vice all over, and (2) the ICE being masked on their jobs, the latter is the issue that matters?
GFY. With regards, leave Now. !!!
I think they hide their faces because they are right wing militia's hired to terrorize everyone not a mediocre whiny white guy.
Someone on Substack did an awesome article about border patrol & ice assholes. The professionals are telling people just not ones who will do anything especially with the idiot felon as president.
they simply don’t want to be recognized as the insurrectionists recently pardoned by Trump, and hired by ice.